BARTLEY COUSINS TWO |
Thomas Robarts and Prudence Bartley Family of CousinsThe only children placed with this couple are those who state parentage as being of Thomas and Prudance (variously spelt). Other children at other locations cannot be for sure placed in this family with just the father being named as 'Thomas'.
Thomas Robarts* = Prudence Bartley
cb 21 Apr 1701 | cb 7 Mar 1702
St Columb Mnr | St Columb Mnr
m 9 Jan 1722 |
St Columb Mnr |
d Sep 1777? | d Sep 1788?
bur 10 Sep 1777 | bur 11 Sep 1788
Newlyn East | Just in Penwith
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John Roberts Charles Roberts William Robarts Mary Robarts Amy Roberts
cb 9 Mar 1726 cb 2 Nov 1729 cb 30 May 1732 cb 13 May 1735 cb 27 Aug 1744
Newlyn East Newlyn East Newlyn East Newlyn East St Erme
(see below)
* There is a second Thomas Robarts buried 1787. Though there is some question as to applicable
burial dates, they are what can be found currently whether they be or not, they are what is.
The name of Amy Roberts in St Erme is reasonably nearby even though the age gap would have to
suggest a distant family 'caboose'. John and Charles fit well time wise with a possible phonetic
spelling difference. As stated before, they all have Thomas and Prudence listed as their parents.
An added note: Ancestry.com, which posts word of mouth type information without a lot of
source evidence, lists Prudence Bartley as marrying 'Thomas Roberts' so that
was not from the parish marriage record. The suggest 8 children to this family (all 'Roberts')
of which are the five which I have plus three more, Thomas Roberts, Margery Roberts and a
Prudence Roberts. Only two of those eight have any associated dates, William Roberts (1731-?)
and Amey Roberts (1740-1816). They do have the father Thomas Roberts born in
St Newlyn (1698-1783). And of course Predence Bartley as (1702-?) but they say she was also
born in St Newlyn rather than St Columb Minor where her parish baptism is recorded. They don't
have Prudence's or Thomas's parents. Perhaps with this 'reliable?' word of mouth and the actual
source records, someone can proceed to do further research on this family and they may even
find out that Purdence's father is Thomas Bartley. Ancestry.com is worth a look and can give
some leads. I have yet to find it 100% accurate and fully solid in the source document department
and with my own Hender ancestry they continue to post numerous errors.
(see:@http://records.ancestry.com/prudence_bartley_records.ashx?pid=1970833)
There is a Thomas Robarts' baptism record in St Columb Minor of 21 April 1701, father Anthony
Robarts. I find no Thomas 'Roberts' baptism record which would relate to a 1698 birth.
Amey ROBARTS did marry George JOHNS on 24 Jun 1768 at St
Erme. William Robarts, her brother? was a witness, but no other confirming evidence as to
parentage is on the marriage record. Ancestry.com lists one child - Amey Johns and they date
range her (1783-unknown)—her actual baptism record dates her baptism 24 May 1774
at St. Erme as Amey JOHNS Father: George and Mother: Amey.
(see @http://records.ancestry.com/amey_roberts_records.ashx?pid=45657478)
The St Erme parish also lists a sisters Prudence Johns (1769), Jinnifer Johns (1770), and Mary
Johns (1772). In Philleigh further siblings for George and Amey Johns are listed with their
baptisms given - George (1776), William (1777), Robert (1779), Robert (1781), Mary (1782),
Thomas (1784), Anne (1787) and Joey (1789) by which time poor mother Amey/Amy [Robarts] Johns
would be age 44 (1789-1744=454) and with birthing 12 children. (see below)
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George Johns and Amy/Amey Robarts Family
George Johns = Amy/Amey Robarts/Roberts
b a1732/33* | cb 27 Aug 1744
| St Erme
m 24 Jun 1768 |
St Erme |
d Aug 1828 a95* | d May 1816 age 72
bur 10 Aug 1828 | bur 18 May 1816
Philleigh | Philleigh
Residence Crantock|
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| Prudence Johns Jinnifer Johns Mary Johns Amey Johns George Johns William Johns
| cb 5 Jun 1769 cb 9 Oct 1770 cb 11 May 1772 cb 24 May 1774 cb 30 Jan 1776 cb 19 May 1777
| St Erme St Erme St Erme St Erme Philleigh Philleigh
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Robert Johns Robert Johns Mary Johns Thomas Johns Anne Johns Joey Johns
cb 24 May 1779 cb 30 Jan 1781 cb 20 May 1782 cb 2 Aug 1784 cb 4 Jan 1787 cb 2 Nov 1789
Philleigh Philleigh Philleigh Philleigh Philleigh Philleigh
(daughter)
* According to parish source records Ancestry.com has George John's parentage wrong. He was NOT
born in Crantock, Cornwall on 1738 to George Johns and Mary Davy. The fact is that his burial
record states his age at death to be 95 (1828-92=1832/3). There are two possible baptisms which
could fit this birth: cb 25 May 1732 at Helston, parents (Mr) George JOHNS and (Mrs) Bridget
JOHNS. They were married at Helston 25 Jul 1717, George JOHNS and Bridget TREMENHEER (banns).
The other possible fit is cb 23 August 1732 at Madron George JOHNS son of Richard JOHNS. A note
on this baptism states: At Penzance. While there are a number of marriage for Richard of
this date range, perhaps the 'best' fit is at Crantock. Marriage date 17 Jan 1729 at Crantock
between Richard JOHNS and Margaret MARTIN. Richard Johns is stated as being resident of
St Agnes. As per the note on George Johns' burial record, which recorded his age at 95, it also
stated that his residence was at Crantock. So I would suggest that his parentage
is Richard Johns and Margaret Martin. That they may have been related to George Johns and Mary
Davy of Crantock is quite possible as well.
** Ancestry.com reports that Amey Johns married John Hocking but gives not dates or place,
neither is such found in the parish registers. 'Family Search' gives a marriage date of 30
January 1806 to a Richard Hocking at Cornelly, Cornwall, England. There is a burial record for
an Amey Hocking buried 11 July 1790 at Redruth, but that would be a reach. There are a number
of burials for an Amy Hocking at a number of locations but no good fit. Perhaps she is out of
England?
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Richard Hocking and Amey Johns Family
Father's occupation: Farmer. Residence: Beruppa in Ruan
Richard Hocking = Amey/Amy Johns
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m 30 Jan 1806 |
Cornelly |
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John Hocking James Hocking Emma Jane Hocking Mary Hocking Richard Hocking
cb 20 Nov 1808* cb 25 Feb 1810 cb 2 Jul 1812 cb 2 Jul 1815 cb 25 Jan 1816
Ruan Lanihorne Rual Lanihorne Rual Lanihorne Ruan Lanihorne Ruan Lanihorne
*Privately baptised November 20, 1808, publically February 15 1809. And transcriber notes:
'Richard crossed out, John inserted.
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